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Why Robin gives me hope for 'The Dark Knight Rises'

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Is the Boy Wonder's possible inclusion in the next Batman movie a sign of a willingness to round off Nolan's trilogy with integrity?

Robin - heading for The Dark Knight Rises?

Yeah, for those curious, this is an article explaining why a rumor - that could be a complete load - gives me hope for a film franchise. This is still the Internet, dammit, and I intend to use it for its apparent purpose for as long as they'll let me.

Let's get it out of the way - I'm not the biggest fan of Inception. Given that, coupled with the unbelievably lazy title The Dark Knight Rises, and the fact that Nolan has said he put everything he'd want in a Batman movie into The Dark Knight, I have not been particularly optimistic that writer/director Christopher Nolan can close out his trilogy as well as he started in (and yes, for the record, I do quite like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight). Third movies are a tough landing to stick under the most promising of circumstances, and we've certainly seen more Return of the Jedis than Toy Story 3s.

Also, who uses Bane? Certainly the work of the most brilliant man or the dumbest.

But this business of Robin possibly being included has me reconsidering everything. Yes, it's true, Nolan said quite early on that he'd never put Robin in a Batman movie, and fanboys* doing what they do commended him on it. Phooey, I say. People who say Robin can't be handled well are not particularly creative people (and they haven't read one of the half billion comics that have done great Robin stories). Robin's a great character who also perfectly illustrates Bruce Wayne's growth from a bitter old bastard who wants revenge to someone making proactive, positive change in the world. And I know fanboys hate the idea of people doing good things that doesn't involve a boot to the face, but maturity finds us all some day. Even the Batman.

"The inclusion of Robin would make a statement, that this film matters as part of a larger story"

So if Nolan did put Robin in The Dark Knight Rises, it'd be a ballsy move at the very least. And not just because the fanboys would go "whhhhhhaaaa?" While people who say Robin can't be handled well need to read up, it's also true that people who say Robin isn't inherently a little silly also need some help. And in the very monochromatic world of Nolan's Batman, that red's gonna pop. So I'd have to give him props for that.

What would really make me excited, though, is that it'd show an absolute willingness to not simply rely on the same old thing. The Dark Knight was almost a completely different film from Batman Begins tonally, stylistically, and aesthetically. The title - The Dark Knight Rises - smelled like a whole lot of cash cow, and it wouldn't be hard to just go back to the same bag of tricks as one of the decade's most culturally significant films. The inclusion of Robin would make a statement, that this film matters as part of a larger story. Big things are happening here.

Now it's all about sticking the landing.

And this rumor being true.

*I use the term "fanboys" lovingly. You guys are like my own personal PETA - you're crazy, obsessed with your cause down to the tiniest detail, and I can sit back and get a laugh from you on a very regular basis, but deep down I'm glad you're fighting the good fight that I just don't have the energy for.


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#1 Sir Jimmy James 2011-02-07 15:44
Robin is a lame ass character that don't belong in da nolan universe. 'Robins lair'...sounds like a sitcom starring Chris O'Donnell. Candyass!!!
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#2 whoa... Alexander Knox 2011-02-07 17:32
I agree with the author FORGET CHRIS O'DONNELL!!! By that logic you would have not given batman a chance based on Val Kilmer? When Nolan rebooted Batman it was the best thing ever for a frachise that WB rode hard and put away wet! Mr. Freeze? Green Veined Bane? Come on now...

IF, and I stress IF Nolan chooses to add Robin to this Batman I feel he will do it properly...if its JGL then I will be pleased...he chooses very talented actors and places them in roles well I think...
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#3 RE: Why Robin gives me hope for 'The Dark Knight Rises' Dale 2011-02-07 17:54
Batman being one of my 3 favorite comic book characters, I love everything that Nolan has done. However, I never connected with Robin. I always thought he was a silly, brightly-clad prop to use when Batman was in trouble or to move the story along while Batman is out kicking ass.

If I knew Nolan personally, I would try to convince him, as hard as possible, not to include Robin. This being the final movie, why put something in there that could potentially ruin all the success that he has made for himself up to this point? Robin is a weak character. He never had many distinguishing traits besides his costume-gimmick.

Nolan was already taking a large risk by reinventing Catwoman, but the inclusion of Robin would certainly leave him smacking his forehead once the box office numbers come in.
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#4 RE: Why Robin gives me hope for 'The Dark Knight Rises' Chris 2011-02-07 19:11
The rumor isn't true, but I don't disagree with the possibility of a great revamping of the character, especially if portrayed by Joseph Gordon-Levitt. It would have to be for inspired purposes, though, and Nolan must really reinvent the origin of their relationship. Maybe if they loosely follow the Knightfall storyline (like Dark Knight took story cues from The Long Halloween) Robin will take over his mantle when Bane breaks Wayne's back. Still, the rumor has been debunked so this is kinda pointless.
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#5 actually chris dumbass! jetts debunking was debunked Robin is in it! Andrew 2011-02-07 23:49
Quoting Chris:
The rumor isn't true, but I don't disagree with the possibility of a great revamping of the character, especially if portrayed by Joseph Gordon-Levitt. It would have to be for inspired purposes, though, and Nolan must really reinvent the origin of their relationship. Maybe if they loosely follow the Knightfall storyline (like Dark Knight took story cues from The Long Halloween) Robin will take over his mantle when Bane breaks Wayne's back. Still, the rumor has been debunked so this is kinda pointless.
sorry jetts debunking just got debunked fool robin is still fair game rumore just got reaffirmed multip sources have reaffirmed robin being in it get over yourself
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#6 Robin? Kathy 2011-04-29 08:49
I'd read from the beginning that Bale wouldn't do the films unless Nolan promised him that there would never be a Robin.

Now, if Nolan wants to go back on that and Bale didn't get it in the contract...too bad for him. But, considering this is Bale, imagine having to work on a film with him after you've gone back on your word like that..... Sheesh.
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#7 Fundamental flaw Daniel Elford 2011-07-14 14:00
I must say, though a nicely argued point, I was lost at the point where you suggested you only have a mild liking for the first two movies, and not much care for Nolan's last film, given that it was pretty much the film of the year. Nolan has always pushed, always challenged, and always been an exciting filmmaker from the get-go, so to propose that the title is lazy (despite perfectly depicting what is going to happen, so I don't see the problem) and that the film could be lazy also, is a flawed way of thinking. Certainly it will be compared, and possibly it may not be as good, but I do not doubt that Nolan is confident he can pull it off, otherwise he wouldn't be there
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#8 if you're a good director you can make a lame kid out to be the most epic hero of all time jc 2012-07-28 11:45
Quoting Jimmy James:
Robin is a lame ass character that don't belong in da nolan universe. 'Robins lair'...sounds like a sitcom starring Chris O'Donnell. Candyass!!!

have you noticed how these films; Batman Begins and The Dark Knight have changed the costume from tight to proper armour that looks bad ass and that's a statement: no kid stuff. Robin could be epic he just needs a cooler identity. In the Dark Knight Rises Robin turns out to be a police officer who was orphaned as a child and Wayne through his charity helped raise him and Robin showed a lot of guts and nerve throughout the film making him out to be a bit cooler whilst keeping his intelligence there from the comics: he figured as well as high intelligence. so Robin will be epic.
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#9 if you're a good director you can make a lame kid out to be the most epic hero of all time jc 2012-07-28 11:48
Quoting Chris:
The rumor isn't true, but I don't disagree with the possibility of a great revamping of the character, especially if portrayed by Joseph Gordon-Levitt. It would have to be for inspired purposes, though, and Nolan must really reinvent the origin of their relationship. Maybe if they loosely follow the Knightfall storyline (like Dark Knight took story cues from The Long Halloween) Robin will take over his mantle when Bane breaks Wayne's back. Still, the rumor has been debunked so this is kinda pointless.

well you were wrong.
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